{"id":307,"date":"2004-04-04T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2004-04-04T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/adam.rosi-kessel.org\/weblog\/free_software\/mailman_troubles_and_wine_successes.html"},"modified":"-0001-11-30T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"1970-01-01T05:00:00","slug":"mailman_troubles_and_wine_successes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/adam.rosi-kessel.org\/weblog\/2004\/04\/04\/mailman_troubles_and_wine_successes","title":{"rendered":"Mailman Troubles and WINE Successes"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <a href=\"http:\/\/laniels.org\" title=\"Stephen Laniels Unspecified Bunker\">Steve<\/a><a class=\"webcache\" title=\"Locally Cached Version\" href=\"\/adam\/cache\/free_software\/mailman_troubles_and_wine_successes.txt\/retrieve\/http:\/\/laniels.org\">&#183;<\/a> recently pointed out that the <a href=\"http:\/\/lists.bostoncoop.net\/pipermail\/linux-disciples\">linux-disciples mail list archives<\/a><a class=\"webcache\" title=\"Locally Cached Version\" href=\"\/adam\/cache\/free_software\/mailman_troubles_and_wine_successes.txt\/retrieve\/http:\/\/lists.bostoncoop.net\/pipermail\/linux-disciples\">&#183;<\/a> were two months out of date. <a href=\"http:\/\/lists.bostoncoop.net\/mailman\/listinfo\/linux-disciples\" title=\"Linux-disciples Info Page\">Linux-disciples<\/a><a class=\"webcache\" title=\"Locally Cached Version\" href=\"\/adam\/cache\/free_software\/mailman_troubles_and_wine_successes.txt\/retrieve\/http:\/\/lists.bostoncoop.net\/mailman\/listinfo\/linux-disciples\">&#183;<\/a> is a small community maillist I administer for all-purpose newbie linux questions (technically it should be &#8220;GNU\/Linux-disciples,&#8221; but that doesn&#8217;t roll off the tongue smoothly). Upon investigation, I discovered that <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mailman.org\" title=\"A.L. Mailman Family Foundation\">Mailman<\/a><a class=\"webcache\" title=\"Locally Cached Version\" href=\"\/adam\/cache\/free_software\/mailman_troubles_and_wine_successes.txt\/retrieve\/http:\/\/www.mailman.org\">&#183;<\/a> has not been archiving any of my mail lists since February. <\/p>\n<p> Previously, I had the problem that <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mail-archive.com\/mailman-users@python.org\/msg22581.html\" title=\"Re: [Mailman-Users] cpu usage\">ArchRunner (the mailman process that creates archives) was using up all my available CPU<\/a><a class=\"webcache\" title=\"Locally Cached Version\" href=\"\/adam\/cache\/free_software\/mailman_troubles_and_wine_successes.txt\/retrieve\/http:\/\/www.mail-archive.com\/mailman-users@python.org\/msg22581.html\">&#183;<\/a>. So I turned ArchRunner off and had it run (or so I thought) every night from midnight until 6am as a cron job under user &#8216;mailman&#8217;. <\/p>\n<p> The problem, I just discovered, was that I had given the wrong path to ArchRunner in the mailman cron job. The error message was going to user &#8216;mailman&#8217;, which was, in fact, a list I had accidentally created. <\/p>\n<p> So it turns out there were over 100,000 error messages that had been sent to the mailman list since February, and these messages were all waiting to be &#8216;archived&#8217; by ArchRunner once it started running properly again. <\/p>\n<p> The lesson to be learned? There can be an awful lot happening on your server without you realizing it, even running a few monitoring utilities such as <a href=\"http:\/\/www.astro.uiuc.edu\/~r-dass\/logcheck\/\">logcheck<\/a><a class=\"webcache\" title=\"Locally Cached Version\" href=\"\/adam\/cache\/free_software\/mailman_troubles_and_wine_successes.txt\/retrieve\/http:\/\/www.astro.uiuc.edu\/~r-dass\/logcheck\/\">&#183;<\/a> which are supposed to watch the log files. Also, make sure that error messages from a process that tries to run every minute don&#8217;t go to a nonexistent user, and particularly don&#8217;t go to a user who is actually a mailing list. <\/p>\n<p> I&#8217;m also wondering why google isn&#8217;t indexing <a href=\"http:\/\/lists.bostoncoop.net\" title=\"lists.bostoncoop.net Mailing Lists\">any of my mailing lists<\/a><a class=\"webcache\" title=\"Locally Cached Version\" href=\"\/adam\/cache\/free_software\/mailman_troubles_and_wine_successes.txt\/retrieve\/http:\/\/lists.bostoncoop.net\">&#183;<\/a>. A major impetus behind <a href=\"http:\/\/lists.bostoncoop.net\/mailman\/listinfo\/linux-disciples\" title=\"Linux-disciples Info Page\">linux-disciples<\/a><a class=\"webcache\" title=\"Locally Cached Version\" href=\"\/adam\/cache\/free_software\/mailman_troubles_and_wine_successes.txt\/retrieve\/http:\/\/lists.bostoncoop.net\/mailman\/listinfo\/linux-disciples\">&#183;<\/a> was to make these questions and answers appear in the search engines. <\/p>\n<p> In other news, I&#8217;m using a tryout demo version of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.codeweavers.com\/site\/support\/\" title=\"CodeWeavers - Support\">Codeweavers Crossover Office<\/a><a class=\"webcache\" title=\"Locally Cached Version\" href=\"\/adam\/cache\/free_software\/mailman_troubles_and_wine_successes.txt\/retrieve\/http:\/\/www.codeweavers.com\/site\/support\/\">&#183;<\/a> to run Office XP under GNU\/Linux. Normally, I do everything with <a href=\"http:\/\/www.openoffice.org\" title=\"OpenOffice.org: Home Page\">OpenOffice<\/a>, which I much prefer, but I&#8217;m doing some intensive document exchange with others at work, and as much as I&#8217;d like to believe it isn&#8217;t true, the conversion filter is not yet perfect. The documents we&#8217;re working on are legal documents that are ultimately filed as such with official entities. Unfortunately, I think I&#8217;ve got to compromise my free software values on this one&#8230; On the other hand, so far, CrossOver Office is holding up quite well, and I&#8217;ll probably buy a version if things continue to work well. <\/p>\n<p> (no need to comment on why MS Office formats are very bad for legal\/confidential documents&#8212;e.g., <a href=\"http:\/\/www.symantec.com\/avcenter\/venc\/data\/acro.html\" title=\"Symantec Security Response - Macro Viruses Overview\">Word Macro Viruses<\/a><a class=\"webcache\" title=\"Locally Cached Version\" href=\"\/adam\/cache\/free_software\/mailman_troubles_and_wine_successes.txt\/retrieve\/http:\/\/www.symantec.com\/avcenter\/venc\/data\/acro.html\">&#183;<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20020802090115\/http:\/\/www.microsystems.com\/Shares_Well.htm\" title=\"Coping with Metadata Issues\">accidental disclosure<\/a><a class=\"webcache\" title=\"Locally Cached Version\" href=\"\/adam\/cache\/free_software\/mailman_troubles_and_wine_successes.txt\/retrieve\/http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20020802090115\/http:\/\/www.microsystems.com\/Shares_Well.htm\">&#183;<\/a> of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.compstar.com\/IT_Michiana\/metadata.htm\" title=\"Microsoft Office Metadata\">confidential information<\/a><a class=\"webcache\" title=\"Locally Cached Version\" href=\"\/adam\/cache\/free_software\/mailman_troubles_and_wine_successes.txt\/retrieve\/http:\/\/www.compstar.com\/IT_Michiana\/metadata.htm\">&#183;<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gnu.org\/philosophy\/no-word-attachments.html\" title=\"We Can Put an End to Word Attachments - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (FSF)\">etc.<\/a><a class=\"webcache\" title=\"Locally Cached Version\" href=\"\/adam\/cache\/free_software\/mailman_troubles_and_wine_successes.txt\/retrieve\/http:\/\/www.gnu.org\/philosophy\/no-word-attachments.html\">&#183;<\/a>. I know.) <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Steve&#183; recently pointed out that the linux-disciples mail list archives&#183; were two months out of date. Linux-disciples&#183; is a small community maillist I administer for all-purpose newbie linux questions (technically it should be &#8220;GNU\/Linux-disciples,&#8221; but that doesn&#8217;t roll off the tongue smoothly). 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