Comcast: Human or Automaton?
I’m not the first person with a story about the sad state of Comcast. Since I’m certain I’m never actually going to get a True Human to read my email at Comcast, I’ll just post my brief exchange regarding Comcast’s SMTP servers here. Maybe some future archaeologist of the Internet will point to this exchange as early evidence of the End of Email:
I posted the following to Comcast’s website feedback form — apparently there is no publicly advertised email address for communicating with Comcast:
Please forward this email to an engineer responsible for Comcast’s SMTP service.
I run an ISP. Email to @comcast.net addresses often bounces with a “556 null byte in data” rejection connecting to gateway-s.comcast. I use postfix from Debian Sarge.
This is not a problem on my end. There are numerous reports of this problem in newsgroups (just google ‘556 null byte in data’ ‘comcast’). The problem is independent of mail user agent and ISP.
Note that this is *not* an issue of my users attempting to connect to the Comcast SMTP server themselves—I understand there is some issue where Comcast only accepts SMTP/SSL/TLS now for its users. This is a *delivery* problem.
I have seen some speculation that Comcast’s SMTP servers are rejecting email with this error because of either large attachments or attachments with long filenames. I have seen the problem occur where the attachments are very small (on the order of 10K), but I haven’t ruled out the latter explanation.
Please let me know if there is anything I can do to fix this problem. My users would like to be able to email Comcast customers.
Comcast’s response:
Dear Adam KESSEL,
Thank you for taking the time to write us.
Comcast is aggressive about protecting its’ subscribers from unwanted and unauthorized emails. In keeping with industry standards and best practices some recent changes to our filters have been made.If you are attempting to send emails to legitimate recipients in the Comcast.net domain, and receive an error message there are 3 likely reasons:
1. Your mail server has been identified as a source of Spam. Our mail filters have been updated to reject all mail from your server until the administrator of your mail server contacts us to request the server be removed.
2. The source of your message has a dynamic email address. Anyone attempting to email into the Comcast domain directly from a Dynamic IP address will receive the following error message:
Comcast does not support the direct connection to its mail servers from residential IPs. Your mail should be sent to comcast.net users through your ISP. Please contact your ISP or mail administrator for more information.
3. Your mail server has an invalid rDNS value. What this means is that our mail filters authenticate each message by checking the rDNS value to ensure its’ a legitimate domain and yours wasnot.
The error or “bounce” message you receive will indicate which reason the message was rejected. Youwill either be given the address to request Blacklist removal or you will be directed to our rDNS FAQpage.
If a domain administrator feels that their IP range has been blocked in error or they would like information on required steps to be removed from our black list, they can contact us at:
blacklist_comcastnet@cable.comcast.com
If you need assistance setting up email through your ISP?s mail servers please visit their support pages or contact their support group.
If you need information on the rDNS block, please visit: http://www.comcast.net/help/faq/index.jsp?faq=Email118405
Thank you for the opportunity to assist you. If you need further assistance with any of your Comcast services please reply to this email and we will be happy to assist you. Thank you again for choosing Comcast we appreciate your business. To visit our local support page including links to contact us via Live Chat, as well as many downloadable forms,and FAQ pages, please visit: http://www.comcast.com/nesupport/
Did you know that Comcast offers its customers a variety of free benefits? These include McAfee Antivirus, Firewall and Privacy software as well the Comcast tool bar that lets you take Comcast.net with you while you surf, and the Desktop Doctor to help you restore lost settings…plus much more, please visit http://www.comcast.net/downloads/ to see all of the extras that we provide.
Sincerely,
IreneComcast Electronic Customer Care – New England
You can email us anytime by replying to this email or by clicking the “Contact Comcast” link found on the bottom of all www.Comcast.net and www.Comcast.com webpages. Our Electronic Customer Support teams are available to assist you 24 hours a day 7 days a week.
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The last bit about “unauthorized use” is a nice touch.
My follow-up:
The 556 null byte SMTP error is *not* a spam or blocking related rejection.
My mail server is (1) not a source of spam (2) does not have a dynamic IP address (I assume below whenyou wrote “dynamic email address” you meant “dynamic IP address”); it is not a residential IP but rather a commercial ISP that I run; and (3) the mail server has a valid reverse DNS lookup.
To clarify: not every email is being rejected from the ISP’s IP address. In fact, the same sender can send from my ISP multiple times to a Comcast subscriber, and most messages will get through.
There appears to be a bug in your SMTP delivery server whereby certain triggering events cause a 556 null byte error. There is at least some evidence that one such triggering event is an email with an attachment with a long filename. This is not a spam filter issue. This is a Comcast SMTP configuration issue.
As you will see if you google “‘556 null byte in data’ comcast” this is awidespread problem that is entirely unrelated to Comcast’s zealous efforts to block unsolicited email.
Please forward my email to an engineer or technician.
Thanks,
Adam
Finally, Comcast’s witty retort:
Dear Adam Rosi-Kessel,
Thank you for taking the time to write us.
Commercial Email Accounts
We have to apologize, but at this time you must contact our Commercial Business support team by calling one of the following toll free numbers 888-824-8105 or 888-824-8155, 1-888-737-8361
Thank you for the opportunity to assist you. If you need further assistance with any of your Comcastservices please reply to this email and we will be happy to assist you. Thank you again for choosingComcast we appreciate your business. To visit our local support page including links to contact us via Live Chat, as well as many downloadable forms,and FAQ pages, please visit: http://www.comcast.com/nesupport/
Did you know that Comcast offers its customers a variety of free benefits? These include McAfee Antivirus, Firewall and Privacy software as well the Comcast tool bar that lets you take Comcast.net with you while you surf, and the Desktop Doctor to help you restore lost settings…plus much more, please visit http://www.comcast.net/downloads/ to see all of the extras that we provide.
Sincerely,
IvonneComcast Electronic Customer Care – New England
You can email us anytime by replying to this email or by clicking the “Contact Comcast” link found onthe bottom of all www.Comcast.net and www.Comcast.com webpages. Our Electronic Customer Support teams are available to assist you 24 hours a day 7 days a week.
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The response contained in this message is intended for the addressee only and may vary from other responses depending on geography, promotional campaigns or other factors. If you are not the intended recipient of this response, please delete this message. Any unauthorized use or dissemination of the information contained in this message is prohibited.
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If anyone has interesting ideas about how to get past Comcast’s front lines, I would like to know.
Anonymous Jan 28
Did you try calling the number? Yes, it probably will waste more of your time than email (though perhaps not with the complete and well-researched email you wrote), but generally I think phonecalls have a better chance of getting past the first-level support script-followers. Just do two things: 1) don’t talk at all about spam unless they bring it up, because all spammers claim that *their* mail doesn’t actually constitute spam; talk purely in terms of losing email and their SMTP server problem, 2) make it very clear that you understand the subject well, and try to get past the first-line BS filter, but often you can do that most quickly by letting them follow their script, as long as you don’t accept any of the “not our problem” endpoints of that script. Tech support will almost never hang up on you, as long as you remain civil, non-abusive, and knowledgable.
Anonymous Jan 28
To clarify something: don’t start out by reiterating the answers you’ve given them earlier about rDNS and dynamic addresses (for example); wait until they get someone on the phone to give you those answers, and then either that person will understand the issue well enough for you to explain the problem, or they will just have repeated an engineer’s explanation in which case you need to ask them to let you talk to the person with whom you can discuss those technical details.
Johan Jan 28
Maybe sending an e-mail to postmaster@comcast would be worth a try? Looking up a comcast IP block in whois also gives a couple of phone numbers that with some luck might lead you to a human.
Citing spam blocking as a reason for the rejection is kind of ironic, though: http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/listings.lasso?isp=comcast.net
era Jan 28
http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/tools/lookup.php?domain=comcast.net
indicates that postmaster@comcast.net doesn’t work. No listing for comcast.com though … although it might well be aliased to /dev/null and/or directly forwarded to SpamCop :-/
Judith Jan 28
It is november 6th, 2006 and this problem just “popped” up for me today… sending “regular” size word documents with “regular” size length names…. Don’t know what is going on… Had to sign on to my googlemail account to get some VIP mail “out”
I have a comcast account myself and was trying to send it to other domains.. miscellany sets. Any clues/ or additional info on this error message?
Kevin sept.30/07 Sep 30
Which is why i think the mail doesn’t get thru….Eastlink.ca not Earthlink but too close for their servers and the site leading toEmail118405 is no help what so ever…